season in division one has made ncaa back history. carlos diaz joins me. everybody is talking about florida gulf coast university. who are they? >> i have no idea. back to you. no. florida gulf coast university is a small college in ft. myers trying to become the first number 15 seed to ever advance to the sweet 16. and they did so. after stunning number two seeded george town on friday night, they had an easier time the next round on sunday against san diego state. and florida gulf coast are beating teams with swagger, with high flying guns. and of course there was a little chicken dancing going on. and they showered their head coach in the hallway after the game, a little gatorade bath. they talked about their emotions afterwards. >> the only water i had -- water they threw on me was in the

locker room. i might cry tomorrow. >> something that we like to do, we like it on get the crowd involved as you guys who watched the game, you seen that over the course of the game, the whole crowd started to get behind us even if they're not from ft. myers or as i like to say dunk city. >> i love the swagger these guys have. they take on number three florida next. number one seed indiana taking on temple, iu looking to make back to back sweet 16st for the first time in nearear 20 years. struggled throughout. great block followed by a huge three-pointer allowing indiana to send the game on a 10-0 run and they hang on to win. only way my bracket is staying alive. thank you st. louis and new mexico. the ohio state buckeyes won in dramatic fashion yesterday. aaron craft decided to nail a three pointer with less than a second left to give the buckeyes a 78-75 win over iowa state. ohio state has now made sweet 16

in four consecutive seasons. >> that's the ohio state. >> sorry. i forgot. the ohio state university. >> i'm still doing pretty good in high bracket. >> i'm in last place. obviously i don't know anything about guessing. >> we all just guess. carlos diaz, thanks so much. thank you so much to joining me today. cnn newsroom continues right now with ashleigh banfield. thanks so much. hello, everyone. good to have you with us. high stakes, hot tempers, accusatio accusations, and that is just the experts. a defense psychologist returns to the stand in the jodi arias murder trial. and the prosecution can't wait. jerry sandusky is locked up probably for life. but the convicted child rapist is speaking out again. this time to a filmmaker who is bent on clearing joe paterno's

name. but paterno's family says no thanks. and this could be a historic week for gay marriage in america. the supreme court taking up two major cases over the next two days. and the lines are already forming. i'm not kidding. first, though, a 15-year-old accused in the horrific shooting death of a baby in brunswick, georgia making his first court appearance this morning. the suspect not named because he's a minor did not enter a plea, but he and a second teenager are facing murder charges in the death of this 13 month old baby boy. 17-year-old demarcus elkins is being charged as an adult and will be in court later on today. the baby's mother said both suspects demanded money and then shot both her and her child last week. authorities in mississippi are investigating the death of

jessica upshaw. local news reports say that she died from a single gunshot wound to the head. the simpson county sheriff is quoted as saying it appeared to be a suicide. brian todd is covering the developments and joins us. this is a very unusual story. not so much that it's a state representative and that there is will potential suicide, but for where this person was found. can you explain? >> we can a little bit. we've gotten new information. we just got off the phone with a close friend of representative jessica upshaw, this friend was her yesterday. this friend does confirm to us that she died outside the home of a former inin mississippi ste representative who lives in mendenhall, mississippi more than 100 miles from the home district of jessica upshaw. this friend who was with jessica upshaw tells us that she had struggled with depression for many years, had been battling it and really aggressively battling

it very bravely according to this friend. we have confirmed with the county coroner that it was a single gunshot wound to the head. and as you mentioned, published reports are saying that it was self-inflicted. we're working on getting that information. it appears to be the case. this friend who was with jessica upshaw did say that she had traveled to the home of clint rotten d ete eten rottenbury, died outside his home. she had been taking medication and under a doctor's care for some time. and that is what we can tell you at this point. >> and just quickly, do we know about the relationship between them? >> working on the details now. we don't have anything we can actually confirm, but we're speaking to people who were connected to them and we're also trying to contact a relative of

ms. upshaw who is traveling back from south korea. it's her daughter. her daughter is an engineer working in south korea. and is apparently on the way back right now. we're trying to make contact with her. >> brian todd, thank you. let us know when you do find out more details. very unusual case. some other top stories that we're looking at this hour, a major winter storm dumping snow in the mid-atlantic states. so far more than 400 flights have been canceled today. some areas could get up to a foot of snow. it is spring officially. parts of a dozen states are under winter storm warnings, though, and, yeah, this was supposed to be spring already a week ago. in other news, a 9-year-old girl hiked for one mile after surviving a car crash to try to save her father. their car flipped off a cliff in california in the middle of the night, she rushed to the nearest house. but no one was home. so she climbed up the cliff and headed to a train station a mile

away. >> it's mind boggling that a little girl at that age could do something like that. she's -- wow, she's a survivor. >> in her commitment to her father, she endured very, very threatening set of circumstances that would overwhelm most adults much less a young child. >> and we are sad to report that the girl's father did not survive that crash. u.s. stocks opening higher this morning after news of a bailout deal for cyprus. stocks down 44 and change right now, but we're continuing to watch. cyrus was on the brink of a financial collapse that might have forced them to leave the eurozone which could have created a serious domino effect right across the world in fact. in afghanistan, the u.s. hands over control of a prison housing insurgents to the afghan government. the prison adjacent to the bagram air base has been the source of friction between two sides. the move comes as secretary of

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questions for the against sidef psychologist. let me tell you, if it was anything like last week, you know it is going to be rough for that man richard samuels. >> suffer, you just used the word speculating, didn't you? >> okay. i used the word. i misspoke. >> and speculating mean it is could be made up, right? >> yes, that's one possibility, could be made up. >> thank you. >> that is never good. arias is charged with murdering her ex-boyfriend. she stabbed him 29 times and shot him in the head. but she says she did it in self-defense. thursday the jurors got a crack at asking questions and had more 100 of them. and the judge read them all out loud in court.

>> you can be sure jodi is not lying to you about the events on june 4, 2008? >> not with 100% certainty. i can't say that. however, when you look at the repeated stories, several different times asked the same question, the story was not 100% the same. but the basic aspects of the story was sufficient. >> and you know something, you can expect a lot more where that came from. more questions from the jury and a tough battle ahead, not just for him, but a few other experts, too. once thes are kugs sta s arpros rebuttal, just wait. joining me jean casarez, vinnie polit politan, and ryan smith. jean, let me begin with you. how much more damage can this expert withstand on that witness

stand? >> i think a bit more. we're in the midst of the cross-examination based on the first round of jury questions. and here is something the prosecutor has not touched yet. the defense witness said that when someone premeditates a crime, that they are in control and because of that, there is not acute stress because they have planned, they know what they're doing and they execute it. and there wouldn't be that eerratic of a crime scene because there was blood everywhere and the wounds were unimaginable. so the prosecutor will have to hit home on that and he will. and we expect also maybe another round of jury questions with this witness. >> i love it. i find it some of the most telling signs in a courtroom when you watch what the jury says or does and here they get to ask the the questions. vinnie, there is yet to be one who are expert after this one. at least on behalf of the defense. and that's the domestic violence expert.

what do we expect the defense wants to elist frcit from that witness is this sxw witness? >> the defense wants to explain the bizarre behavior. it's so counter intuitive and that's what the domestic violence expert has to talk about because jodi arias is going out of her way to be with travis alexander yet claims to be a victim of domestic violence. she travels more than 1,000 miles, she crawls through his doggy door. why is she doing all these things? the problem that that expert and the expert on the stand now has is that so much of their opinion is based upon the words of jodi arias. >> which are worth nothing considering how much she's lied up until this point. ryan smith, i'm only guessing here, and i'm not a lawyer, but i like to play one on tv, that the ploss kugs in its rebuttal will call a few experts or at least one of their own, and it will be a big old cancelling out

session because the jury will be left with two competing pieces of wisdom from two thought to be smart people with degrees. >> yeah, you got it. when you talk about the prosecution's experts, my guess is that they want to call somebody who will try to knock done that ptsd diagnosis that samuels is talking about, maybe somebody to talk about how she didn't suffer from abuse. and also address the memory issues. because basically jodi's story is that she didn't remember so much of what happened. and the doctor on the stand right now is talking about how that is part of what he diagnosed and part of what he believes that she experienced. so the prosecution has to call witnesses to try to knock that done. and it will be that typical battle of the experts. >> ryan smith, hold on for a minute. jean and vinnie, stay where you are. oftentimes it's hard for a jury to figure out just how exactly a crime plays out. hln did something to at least help the viewers in this case get a better feel. they constructed a mockup of the apartment where travis alexander was killed. going to get a tour of this and

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certainly a chilling case. killed by his ex-girlfriend, the last pictures of travis were taken in the shower before jodi arias shot and stabbed him to death. and suddenly that shower became a crime scene as did the entire bathroom, which was either and suite. my colleagues built a recreation of the place where travis alexander was killed. sometimes jurors get a chance to go back to the scene of a crime. sometimes they get to be a part of a re-enactment, a reconstruction in a courtroom. but not in this case. only you are getting that opportunity to experience just what that crime scene looked lying. i want to bring back vinnie politan and also ryan smith. so you two are standing in the recreation. it is all built exactly to size.

you can spread out and show me how large the bhwhole crime sce actually is? >> we have a tape measure. how about that? from one end all the way down to the other, we're at 25 feet now. we're talking about 30 feet you would probably be 30, 35 feet to reconstruct. this is just the hallway, the closet and the bathroom area. >> where the whole murder took place, right from one end to the other. >> and then we're talking about space wise, this would be where a wall is. so it's about ten feet. >> you both have been in ko courtrooms. could they not have rebuilt this replica to help the jurors? >> it is a big courtroom, so there is a possibility. but i think the reason why you tonight have somethitonigh don' something like that unless you can 100% accurately reconstruct it and do the entire reenact reenactment, i don't want it.

any misinterpretation, i'll appeal that because you shouldn't have allowed it in the first place. >> maybe they saw the 2004 murder trial of susan wright in houston. do you remember covering that? where the prosecutor not only brought in the blood stained mattress of where susan wright's husband was murdered and where she was accused of having stabbed him 200 times, the prosecutor all actually got up on that mattress having strapped down her colleague and then reenacted the crime actually getting someone to hand her the knife and pretending -- she didn't go through all 200 stab wounds, but she pretend that had this was how it played out. the real bed, the real blood and then of course this re-enactment. here is what's so amazing. susan wright claimed that she was a battered spouse and acted in self-defense when she did the stabbings. it did not work out for her. she was sentenced to 25 years in prison and later on she wasre

resentenced to ed td t ed td to. >> if you put the jury in here, when take you a look at jody airrouair ro arias' story and it's almost like she's describing it in slow motion. but when cow in here and see how tight the quarters are, you see how unlikely it is that her story worked out the way that it did. at least the first time ismalle. >> we've also covered trials where jurors have gone to the crime scene or maybe they have just watched a video like in the case of susan smith, the notorious baby killer who killed her own two children, they reenacted the car going into the water. ostensibly the two babies in the real car were strapped in their car seats in the back as that six minutes of hell played out and that car went under the water. susan smith back in in 1994

committed the crime. she won't be eligible for patrol until 2024. videos and walk throughs can be just as effective, but even that's not done in this case. >> no. there is some -- they have seen a the lft photographs, but they haven't done it the way we've seen it in other cases. >> and part of the reason is the passage of time. it's been years. that house -- remember, when it first happened, we didn't know about jodi arias' story about self-defense. so now the scene is different fundamentally. if i'm the defense, i'm saying no way you're getting in that house and trying to tell the jurors -- >> somebody else is living there. the house has been sold. >> so i have one for you both because i know you both said it can really serve against a against attorney to see a re-enactment or recreation, but i had to dig deep into the court tv archives to get this one. the 2000 massachusetts trial of barbara asher, do you remember mistress lauren m? >> no.

hold the tape. >> it was an s and m case and the prosecutor put the s and m mask on and then walked over to the area pretending to be the victim in this case. sort of stringing up his own hands and saying that barbara asher basically let him die as he had a heart attack because she was afraid that her tawdry business would be found out. this was a re-enactment that worked. because in the end, she was found in 2006 not guilty. there was no body, no blood, no dna. and her alleged confession wasn't taped. no notes. so that was one of those circumstances re-enactment sort of work p. do you see any benefit in this case? >> depends which side. if i'm prosecutor, i wouldn't mind coming this. >> it's a perfect setup. because you get to talk about exactly what happened by your basis and like you say, jodi's story doesn't make a lot of sense.

but from a defense perspective, you want to do everything you can do to keep them out of a space like this. >> all right. stand by. great work. thank you for showing us the realities of what the scene looked like. also want to remind our viewers you can watch the jodi arias trial this afternoon live on hln. also on cnn.com. a filmmaker interviews jerry sandusky all in an effort to clear joe paterno's name. so why is the former coach's family so upset?

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the family of joe paterno want ns no part of a crusade to clear his name. joepa is the former penn state football coach who lost his job and died in disgrace in the jerry sandusky child rape

scandal. john zeigler with seem to be an ally in an yep coming film he's claiming, a i quote, an out of control news media created a false thenarrative. but i want to take you to the white house right now where the president is about to do something very special. this is something he does on a regular basis. he's actually doing a naturalization ceremony. so as we hear the star spangled banner, we'll have about 28 active duty service members and civilians including 13 troops who will a wait their swearing in ceremony to become u.s. citizens. may i just say personally, i went through this, takes very emotional time. you may think it's pro forma, probably pledge allegiance every day or at least did at one point this your life. but when you do it officially for the first time especially for those in uniform, this is a imagine c magical moment. to have the president reside

over it is truly awesome. secretary of homeland security, janet no na politan k napolitan his left and she'll deliver the oath of allegiance. let's listen in. ♪ mr. president, madame secretary -- >> as they get the ceremony under way, we'll dip in as soon as the president speaks and as soon as janet napolitano delivers that oath. it's really just a terrific moment to watch. we see it a lot of times, but it's great when you see active duty service members being given this wonderful opportunity and please be seated everyone. so we'll be zip back to the story we were in the middle of covering a moment ago. and that's the story of john

zeigler, a documentary film make, had an opportunity to interview jerry sandusky several times. in police orison, over the tele and recorded a lot what have he had to say, as well. and then he decided to give nbc's "today" show the exclusive opportunity to listen to some of the comments that were made by a man who here to forehad been a hero, but after jerry is an's trial has become quite a villain. a child rapist. 45 counts and going. so here is jerry sandusky as he talks about that infamous locker room shower incident that was witnessed by mike mcqueary. >> i don't understand how anyone would have walked in to that locker room from where he was and heard sounds associated with sex going on. you know like he said that could have been. i mean, there was -- that would

have been the last thing i would have thought about. >> unconfident about to hear and watch even though it's apaudio recording. you'll remember jerry sandusky is serving a 30 year prison sentence for abusing ten boys. joe paterno was never charged with anything and died in fact before all of these proceedings could all play out. but an independent probe commissioned by penn state found he was among four top university officials who could have stopped sandusky but failed to do so. i want to bring in sarah ganim. one of the things that i found interesting about these tapes and this film and the effort to clear joe paterno's name is that joe paterno's name doesn't want any part of this. why is that? >> they definitely don't like it. but just to give you some perspective, this within sight

that john zeigler has posted, he calls it framing paterno.com and it's supposed to be a website to help exonerate joe paterno, it's been out for more than a year and i've watched the support dwindle over the weekend. and is it started when scott paterno began to tweet that they reviewed what zeigler was doing, they actually everyone consulted a child sex abuse expert who they have had review the case extensively over the last couple of months, and that expert said this isn't a truthful narrative, it's a false narrative and the family said we're not going to have any part of this and we don't support it. let me read and you statement that they said because they really take offense it seems to the fact that jerry sandusky is being used in some way to help further the cause of zeigler and the paterno family has always being acknowledged there are victims in this case. the statement released this weekend says they believe that

any attempt to use this recording as a defense of joe paterno is misguided and inappropriate. >> just want to take a look at that. it's a sat and unfortunate episode. i want to bring in sin sun any respect sunny hostin and joe jack jackson, as well. sandusky is appealing his conviction. why on earth would he speak, would a lawyer allow him to speak or would it matter at all because really an appeal is about a record that's already been made in court. >> sure. i think it certainly does matter on many different levels because there is the appeal pending. and because quite frankly we want to hear from jerry sandusky because this was in my opinion and in my view sort of the most notorious child sex abuse case in our history. and we've learned a lot about

child sex abuse. i used to prosecute these cases and one of the good things at least that has come out of this is that we're actually talking about child sex abuse. but i will say i don't think anybody can control jerry sandusky. i'm quite sure his attorneys didn't want him to say anything, but remember the bob costas interview, i'm sure they didn't want him to say anything either. so you can't really control jerry sandusky. but i do find it odd that the paterno family wants to control the narrative so very much. because they should be an ally in many respects. >> at least doesn't want to be controlled in any narrative. joe jackson, weigh in if you would on the additional cases that still have yet to be litigated. and that is of the penn state officials who were tangentially involved. might jerry sandusky's words play into their trial? >> if always could. and legal proceedings you have to be very careful about saying anything.

i mean, i certainly credit the paterno family with distancing themselves from this. he had an opportunity that is mr. sandusky to testify in a court of law where he's under oath and subject to cross-examination. he opted not to do that. and so to do something self-serving now is another matter. but as to the other issues coming forward, you know, whenever you're talking about a cover up at the highest level, it's a matter who have knew what when. i don't think he has nuch creen credibility, that is sandusky, to weigh in, but there is also civil proceedings that are ongoing and i think ultimately it's in the school's interests to dispose of this, dispose of it quickly and on get the good name back that penn state and the students who go there deserve. >> i'm glad you brought up the civil, as well. it's not just outstanding criminal issues. and millions of dollars at stake. the two of you say put if you would for me. because coming up, another big

case by the name of amanda knox. thought you were done? no way. $4 million in book advance money later, and after being set free, an italian supreme court may want that young woman back in country to face murder charges all over again. what say you united state? would you send her back? coming up in a moment. thank you so much. good morning, everybody. >> morning. >> secretary napolitano, thank you for administering the oath and making it official. director, distinguished guests, family, and friends, it is a great pleasure to have you here at the white house. and it is an honor to be among the first to greet some of my fellow citizens of the united

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it was a trial that captured the attention of two countries. amanda knox studying in italy who along with her boyfriend was convicted of the brutal murder

of her roommate, but the conviction was overturned and she was set free 18 months ago. not before serving four years, though, in an italian jail. today the italian supreme court is taking another look at her case and that court could demand that knox stand trial again for hur. y murder. you heard it. first of all, isnsunny hostin, t would never happen in the yuntd of america. we have a constitutional right not to have to undergo double jeopardy. do they not have the same protection in italy? >> that's right. they don't have the double jeopardy clause that we have in our constitution. and i think it's really a fascinating chapter in this amanda knox story because we know she was in prison for four

years. we all watched that appeal process. we remember seeing a man today knox speak in flew ept italian begging for her freedom. she get the freedom. she goes back home. and now the appellate court is looking at that time again. i think the real question here is let's say this court overturns it and says, yeah, you've got to come back and be retried. is the united states going to send her back? because there is that extradition treaty. >> those extradition treaties are all very selective. say for instance someone's captured in france and they refuse to extradite back to our country because of, say, i don't know, the death penalty. can't we employ those same things and say i know we have a treaty with you, but you're breaking our laws and we won't extradite her to you. joey jackson, weigh in on that. >> sure we can and i would expect that. extradition of course is the process where another country

would request that we provide someone to them so that justice could be meted out. at the same time there are requests and a half the united states to other countries, as well. so we engage in the process where we respect both. but of course we have principles that are well founded within our constitution, one of which is double jeopardy. cannot be tried twice. so as a result of that, i think it would be highly objectionable for the united states to surrender someone to another country for which justice has already been administered and meted out. so i don't think an anticipate that that would happen. >> one extra issue and that is slander. it's different over there than it is here, too. and knox was convicted of slander. one of the people who i think was interrogating her. if in fact she can prove that because she's innocent of the crime she didn't slander by suggesting someone else committed the crime, can she actually sue the italians and get money from them for having

to be imprisoned for a crime she didn't commit? >> i don't think that's going to happen in this case. my sense is that amanda knox wants this to go away. i can't imagine that she's going to institute any proceedings to recover any sort of money for wrongful prosecution or slander or anything like that. i think, and we'll hear from her i believe, right, isn't she sort of writing a book and being interviewed. i think what we'll hear is that she just wants this chapter closed in her life. and i suspect that's what's going to happen about that. >> so just quickly to close it out, skroejoey jackson, let's s they find her guilty in sbsentia. what does that mean? >> it means there will be a verdict rendered by that government, but will that verdict be carried out or enforced, no.

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one of the elder states men in colorado, that is how the governor of colorado describes his old friend, tom clements. a memorial is being held at the top of the hour for clements who was the chief of the state's prison system. a man shot dead when he opened the door to his home last week. officials say the suspect, evan spencer ebel, was the former member of a white supremacist prison gang and may have conspired with other inmates to kill clements. ebel was killed in a shoot-out with police on thursday. jim spellman has been following the details and joins us live from colorado springs. very tangled web. but are they any further to connecting this to a conspiracy, jim? >> reporter: that's the big question here because the one

thing they do not have at this point is a motive. they know that through about a lays ticks information, they are almost positive they hope to confirm it later that it was this man evan ebel who shot tom clements. but what they don't know is why. they pretty much ruled out that it was a home invasion type robbery gone awry. affiliations with this gang behind the prison walls that somebody maybe ordered a hit. the reason that is so important is because other public officials could still be in danger if that was the case. to wit we have increased security here where there's going to be a lot of public officials, including the governor himself a close friend of tom clements speaking at the memori memorial. also investigators are not only investigating within prison, they want to know what he was doing for the seven or so weeks since he was out of jail in the end of january until the killing. where did he get his car? where did he get his gun? who was he spending time with? they want to make sure they can wrap all that up until they can

feel the rest of the officials are safe, ashleigh. >> all right. jim spellman, thank you. coming up next, people have been waiting in long lines for a long time all to get one of those coveted seats in our nation's most exalted court. we're going to take you to the supreme in a moment. [ female announcer ] what if the next big thing, isn't a thing at all? it's lots of things. all waking up. connecting to the global phenomenon we call the internet of everything. ♪ it's going to be amazing. and exciting. and maybe, most remarkably, not that far away. we're going to wake the world up. and watch, with eyes wide, as it gets to work. cisco. tomorrow starts here.

some pictures for you that don't show the line for the new iphone or justin bieber concert, but you'd think it might. this is the line that started on friday for supreme court arguments that don't get underway until tomorrow and then go on until wednesday. the big issue, same sex marriage. tomorrow's agenda, prop 8. the court's going to look at that voter passed measure that bans same sex marriages in the state of california. on wednesday the arguments shift to the federal defense of marriage act that prevents gay couples from getting the benefits straight couples have had for years and years. my colleague was sent out in the snowstorm and had to bear the elements and then went inside because it was really lousy weather. joe, here's what i think is so telling when you see lines like that waiting for four to five days. this is a critical moment for america. it is a cultural time.

it's something where people say i remember where i was when. did you get a chance to talk to some of those people in line? >> no, frankly i didn't, ashleigh. the truth is though you're right. this is a pivotal moment in a lot of ways. and a lot of people are saying that. some people even comparing it to the days back in the 1960s when the supreme court first heard the cases relating to interracial marriage. it's that big. and the court is going to have two chances on two different cases to deal with this. first as you said proposition 8, that's a california case. and then the defense of marriage act which is a federal law passed back in 1996. all of it is about whether the government state or federal can discriminate against same sex couples, ashleigh. >> with only about a minute in the show, i can't do justice, pardon the pun, to both of those

extremely heavy and weighty cases, but we're going to do some massive coverage obviously not only on prop 8 tomorrow but doma on wednesday. but in the meantime the thoughts of those that have come from far to be a part of this, luckily the media doesn't have to wait in line, we get designated seats. but just to be a part of it, what's it like to be inside those hallowed halls? >> it's funny. you talk to as i have so many of these people whose cases have actually made their way to the supreme court. and that in and of itself is a lot like lightning strike. and then it begins usually very tense as the justices start interrupting the attorneys as they make their arguments. there's always from time to time in these a moment of levity where everybody realizes we're all human. but at the end of the day, yes, it's hugely important. everybody sort of gets caught up in the moment. and then you wait. and we'll certainly be waiting

until june at least. >> i think, joe, some of these people standing in line waiting to be the first people to hear clarence thomas ask more than just a very small question, which i know we've already had. but that big first question for justice clarence thomas. i know you'll be covering this as well tomorrow. thank you. and, again, we should remind our viewers, joe johns, that we're not going to get a big decision tomorrow. these are oral arguments. and this is the time for the next two or three months for the justices to ponder, what they've heard, what they've asked and by many court watchers accounts they have a good feel for where they are already. but it is fascinating to watch these arguments play out. if you ever get a chance to do it by the way, i always say do jury duty, it's awesome. and see if you can't swing by the supreme court as well because it's one of our most magical institutions. i'm off my soap box now. i'm done. thank you very much for sticking around. thanks for watching everyone. "around the world"'s coming up next after this short break. music ...